Comments on: Review: Professor Ellen van Wolde on bara in Genesis

By: b r bloomberg

b r bloomberg — Tue, 15 Mar 2011 04:22:41 +0000

so through the word in the christ, all things came to be,through the logos,in arche,all things came to be,(egeneto).hence in christ bara elohim eth shamayim,(above waters,aka,heavens???).this is what we read,”on account of whom are ‘all’ things and through whom are ‘all’ things.”heb.2.10.

By: WoundedEgo

WoundedEgo — Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:49:50 +0000

It isn’t an unqualified all things because:

* it gives the qualification “that were made”
* it refers to EN ARKH, and there we were told that God made the sky and the dry land (“heavens and the earth”), and that when God began to make these, the other things, (bottomless sea, the unformed, unfilled land and the wind) already were there.

By: b r bloomberg

b r bloomberg — Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:17:39 +0000

a defined seperation of identities,e.g.jesus says i am the arche,therefore,john1.1 reads in christ was the logos.so the christ and the word are separate entities. by the way,prove it isnt an unqualified all things!

By: WoundedEgo

WoundedEgo — Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:24:42 +0000

John 1:3 makes no mention of Christ, though. And it isn’t an unqualified “all things” but only non-preexistent things, or “the things that were made in Genesis 1″:

“All things were made by it; and without it was not any thing made that was made.”

By: b r bloomberg

b r bloomberg — Sun, 13 Mar 2011 05:14:36 +0000

rhemati aside john 1.3 states,through the logos all things came to be

By: WoundedEgo

WoundedEgo — Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:35:59 +0000

Hebrews 11:3, really reads more like this:

“By faith we realize [νοουμεν] that the ages [αιωνας] were amended [κατηρτισθαι] by God’s declarations [ρηματι], so that what we are seeing have not come from things extant.”

You might disgaree with some of the fine points of my translation, but what is clear is that the utterances are not RHMATI are not “Christ.”

By: b r bloomberg

b r bloomberg — Sat, 12 Mar 2011 04:23:31 +0000

hmm let me expand….in christ god organized the above waters and the habitations…,, kinda sounds like heb.11.3

By: b r bloomberg

b r bloomberg — Fri, 11 Mar 2011 02:12:41 +0000

well,divide could be organize and organize lends itself to fatten.,e.g.in the head,(the arche,the christ),fattened,(organized..??)the …..earth..????.erets..

By: Avi Solomon

Avi Solomon — Mon, 07 Mar 2011 15:32:21 +0000

Leo Strauss gave a talk on Genesis that is quite illuminating in this regard:
http://www.archive.org/details/LeoStraussOnGenesis

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