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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Joel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 21:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it didn&#039;t mean &quot;just any shade of blue,&quot; but, rather, referred to a specific shade of blue.  My point is that we don&#039;t know which shade.

Even if it was used for the priestly garments, I tend to think that it would have changed over 500 years, though I can also see how it could have been the color produced by a particular animal, in which case it would have been easier to keep constant.  But don&#039;t forget, we don&#039;t know if the sample from Masada was &lt;i&gt;t&#039;chelet&lt;/i&gt; or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it didn&#8217;t mean &#8220;just any shade of blue,&#8221; but, rather, referred to a specific shade of blue.  My point is that we don&#8217;t know which shade.</p>
<p>Even if it was used for the priestly garments, I tend to think that it would have changed over 500 years, though I can also see how it could have been the color produced by a particular animal, in which case it would have been easier to keep constant.  But don&#8217;t forget, we don&#8217;t know if the sample from Masada was <i>t&#8217;chelet</i> or not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Joel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 21:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not necessarily.  &quot;Blue&quot; didn&#039;t come up very often in the ancient world, because the color is so rare in nature.  The Radiolab episode discusses exactly this issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not necessarily.  &#8220;Blue&#8221; didn&#8217;t come up very often in the ancient world, because the color is so rare in nature.  The Radiolab episode discusses exactly this issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 20:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I seem to recall there&#039;s an excellent and accessible (to the non-specialist) in Guy Deutscher&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Through-Language-Glass-Different-Languages/dp/0099505576/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1338410402&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Through the Language Glass&lt;/a&gt; about how language for colour tends to develop.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seem to recall there&#8217;s an excellent and accessible (to the non-specialist) in Guy Deutscher&#8217;s <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Through-Language-Glass-Different-Languages/dp/0099505576/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1338410402&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">Through the Language Glass</a> about how language for colour tends to develop.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Tamra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tamra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 19:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am not a Bible expert by any means.  I have a curious question.  If the other colors are used in the Bible, then why do you assume that blue was around, just not written down?  It&#039;s such a long work, you&#039;d think blue would have made it in at least once.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Bible expert by any means.  I have a curious question.  If the other colors are used in the Bible, then why do you assume that blue was around, just not written down?  It&#8217;s such a long work, you&#8217;d think blue would have made it in at least once.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Lois Tverberg</title>
		<link>http://goddidntsaythat.com/2012/05/29/q-and-a-what-color-is-the-blue-of-the-bible/#comment-18101</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lois Tverberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 17:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry I didn&#039;t see your link, Joel.  

Every time t&#039;chelet is used in the text, it is associated with clothing. It&#039;s never just used as a word to describe the color of the sky or the sea. My assumption is that it&#039;s not an abstract word that means a shade of &quot;blue,&quot; but a particular dye color. 

Is there a reason to assume that the dye color would be different in the Second Temple Period than in earlier history? Given that it would have been needed for priestly garments, it seems like the knowledge would have been handed down over the centuries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t see your link, Joel.  </p>
<p>Every time t&#8217;chelet is used in the text, it is associated with clothing. It&#8217;s never just used as a word to describe the color of the sky or the sea. My assumption is that it&#8217;s not an abstract word that means a shade of &#8220;blue,&#8221; but a particular dye color. </p>
<p>Is there a reason to assume that the dye color would be different in the Second Temple Period than in earlier history? Given that it would have been needed for priestly garments, it seems like the knowledge would have been handed down over the centuries.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Blue in the Bible &#124; Jewel Lake Parish Online</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blue in the Bible &#124; Jewel Lake Parish Online]]></dc:creator>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Driediger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 15:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So then, Joel, what are we to do with Leviticus 5:17, which says &quot;If a person sins (chatah) and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD&#039;s commands ...&quot;?

I took an admittedly quick look at all the occurrences of chatah in the Torah and found that the vast majority of the its uses are descriptive, not prescriptive.  Even when it is seems to be used in prescriptive way, its usage still more or less describes that a person has &#039;sinned&#039; by doing certain things (eg. failure to witness [Lev. 5:1], deceit, robbery, oppression [Lev. 5:21]) or that what he has done has been a sin. 

Another question I have is one of context, not so much concerning the use of chatah in the Torah but rather concerning Osteen&#039;s use of &#039;sin.&#039;  I understand that you (Joel) are a big proponent of always translating (and interpreting) a word based first and foremost on the context in which it is used.  So then, in what context did Osteen use the word &#039;sin&#039;?  Are we to presume that he intended his listeners to interpret his use of the word &#039;sin&#039; as relating only to things in the Tanakh prescribed as chatah, or should we make at least some reasonable attempt to judge Osteen&#039;s comments according to how the majority of Osteen&#039;s listeners would have understood his use of &#039;sin.&#039;  The venerable wikipedia offers this definition of sin:
     &quot;In religious contexts, a sin is an act that violates God&#039;s will.&quot; (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin)
Considering the extent to which information found online informs (and reveals) much about the way we think, would using this definition of &#039;sin&#039; generate a scripturally accurate interpretation of Osteen&#039;s comment that &quot;homosexuality [at least the male-male homosexual act referred to in Lev. 20:13)] is a sin&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then, Joel, what are we to do with Leviticus 5:17, which says &#8220;If a person sins (chatah) and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD&#8217;s commands &#8230;&#8221;?</p>
<p>I took an admittedly quick look at all the occurrences of chatah in the Torah and found that the vast majority of the its uses are descriptive, not prescriptive.  Even when it is seems to be used in prescriptive way, its usage still more or less describes that a person has &#8216;sinned&#8217; by doing certain things (eg. failure to witness [Lev. 5:1], deceit, robbery, oppression [Lev. 5:21]) or that what he has done has been a sin. </p>
<p>Another question I have is one of context, not so much concerning the use of chatah in the Torah but rather concerning Osteen&#8217;s use of &#8216;sin.&#8217;  I understand that you (Joel) are a big proponent of always translating (and interpreting) a word based first and foremost on the context in which it is used.  So then, in what context did Osteen use the word &#8216;sin&#8217;?  Are we to presume that he intended his listeners to interpret his use of the word &#8216;sin&#8217; as relating only to things in the Tanakh prescribed as chatah, or should we make at least some reasonable attempt to judge Osteen&#8217;s comments according to how the majority of Osteen&#8217;s listeners would have understood his use of &#8216;sin.&#8217;  The venerable wikipedia offers this definition of sin:<br />
     &#8220;In religious contexts, a sin is an act that violates God&#8217;s will.&#8221; (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin</a>)<br />
Considering the extent to which information found online informs (and reveals) much about the way we think, would using this definition of &#8216;sin&#8217; generate a scripturally accurate interpretation of Osteen&#8217;s comment that &#8220;homosexuality [at least the male-male homosexual act referred to in Lev. 20:13)] is a sin&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Joel H.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joel H.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 13:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Lois. 

I provide that link in my main text, but I discount it, for two reasons.  First, the fabric patch, from the first decades of the first millennium AD, comes too late to help directly with the Old Testament.  Secondly, we don&#039;t know for sure that this is &lt;i&gt;t&#039;chelet.&lt;/i&gt;  It&#039;s a fascinating find, because it shows us what coloring technology was in use at the time, but I don&#039;t think it helps much with color terms from hundreds of years earlier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Lois. </p>
<p>I provide that link in my main text, but I discount it, for two reasons.  First, the fabric patch, from the first decades of the first millennium AD, comes too late to help directly with the Old Testament.  Secondly, we don&#8217;t know for sure that this is <i>t&#8217;chelet.</i>  It&#8217;s a fascinating find, because it shows us what coloring technology was in use at the time, but I don&#8217;t think it helps much with color terms from hundreds of years earlier.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Lois Tverberg</title>
		<link>http://goddidntsaythat.com/2012/05/29/q-and-a-what-color-is-the-blue-of-the-bible/#comment-18070</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lois Tverberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 04:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They do pretty much know what color t&#039;chelet is now. A sample was discovered at Masada and chemically analyzed:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/middleeast/28blue.html?_r=1

Some interesting videos are also on the tekhelet.com website...

http://www.tekhelet.com/mystery.htm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They do pretty much know what color t&#8217;chelet is now. A sample was discovered at Masada and chemically analyzed:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/middleeast/28blue.html?_r=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/28/world/middleeast/28blue.html?_r=1</a></p>
<p>Some interesting videos are also on the tekhelet.com website&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tekhelet.com/mystery.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.tekhelet.com/mystery.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Q&amp;A:  What color is the &#8220;blue&#8221; of the Bible? by Gordon Tisher</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Tisher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2012 02:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The primary color thing is not anthropologically sound.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_terms#Basic_color_terms contains a description of the common patterns for color terms in languages.  If you can&#039;t find a term for blue, it&#039;s likely that it&#039;s the same as green (as is the case in modern Japanese) or black.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary color thing is not anthropologically sound.  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_terms#Basic_color_terms" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_terms#Basic_color_terms</a> contains a description of the common patterns for color terms in languages.  If you can&#8217;t find a term for blue, it&#8217;s likely that it&#8217;s the same as green (as is the case in modern Japanese) or black.</p>
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